Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

(andonlabs.com)

46 points | by lukaspetersson 52 minutes ago

15 comments

  • piterrro 21 minutes ago
    Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market yet, but give it a few years.
  • polytely 28 minutes ago
    how does this work from a liability standpoint? seems very risky for the person who is legally responsible for the business
    • ocimbote 15 minutes ago
      Accountability, that's the liability everyone seems to have forgotten in our LLM-driven era. You can close your eyes as much you want during your sessions with Claude or whatever, at the end of the day, only a human can be held accountable.
      • mym1990 12 minutes ago
        Not too hopeful here as we see the major labs continuously break rules and are not held accountable for anything. Accountability in general is on a major decline, in case no one has noticed.
  • LargeWu 31 minutes ago
    Does Pion run Andon Labs autonomously?
    • 0gs 13 minutes ago
      haha no they admit they built it because they cannot build a revenue generating business in the article. maybe THAT is what is good for the world!
    • LargeWu 25 minutes ago
      Downvote if you want, but this is a very relevant question. If their marketing is to be believed, they would be eating their own dog food.

      This very analog to the Meta executives who won't let their own kids near social media.

      • aschobel 16 minutes ago
        there seems to be a massive negativity to any comment on this story. Andolabs has been doing super interesting stuff, and I’ve always followed Vend Bench with interest.

        as a founder it really is a dream to automated more of the business and be able to iterate faster.

        • LargeWu 10 minutes ago
          There's massive negativity because our bullshit detectors are going off.

          First of all, I don't think it can do what it claims to do.

          Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should.

        • mcmcmc 9 minutes ago
          [delayed]
  • ac29 30 minutes ago
  • Sivart13 41 minutes ago
    I wish we could go just one day without a company proudly engaging in Torment Nexus related activities.
    • lukaspetersson 34 minutes ago
      We think this is good for the world. Longer argument in the post.
      • apsurd 21 minutes ago
        maybe ill read the article, but i mean you’re financially motivated to think its good for the world arent you?

        humans are excellent at justification.

      • mcmcmc 31 minutes ago
        You literally talk about committing a crime and blame it on a model
      • themgt 3 minutes ago
        We want the general public, AI researchers and policymakers to know to what extent AIs can autonomously acquire resources by running businesses. It is an important datapoint when deciding where we do/don’t want AI in society and what level of progress we find acceptable. To better track this, we need to cast a wider net of businesses.

        We expect that most users will never pay for tokens on Pion; instead we will take a small share of the revenue the agent helps create.

        So the longer argument is that it's good for the world to see how much revenue Pion can manage, and also your pricing plan is take [unspecified] % of revenue.

      • 0gs 15 minutes ago
        did you link to the wrong page? because i read this one: https://andonlabs.com/blog/why-we-built-pion and it's just a bunch of the usual slop about how awesome your automated human-exploitation system is.
        • switchbak 6 minutes ago
          "By late 2025, frontier models had gotten good enough that running a real-life vending machine was no longer a challenge" ... is this satire? Isn't it kind of hard to lose money running a vending machine in a good location?
      • cryptonector 6 minutes ago
        yawn
    • cyanydeez 25 minutes ago
      it's interesting how the torment nexus is starting large, and boiling the most people with the "most comfortable" lives. I wonder how long the white collar workers will keep bending over to keep their lives safet, particularly when they're building the Torment Nexus to specifically torment them.

      You'd think Meta's "we're going to spy on you for the good of the country" policy would have set them a bit on fire.

  • ValueTheory 29 minutes ago
    What is the point of this? It details a bunch of failed real-world experiments and invites the reader to run their own real-world experiment with their own money?

    If you too, want to waste thousands of dollars having an LLM "run" a business, Pion might be for you.

    • DenisM 21 minutes ago
      I like to think the real world lessons in failures are valuable.

      If I have this idea one day I will search for it and then think “how am I different fro that which already failed?”.

  • mcmcmc 43 minutes ago
    Filing false reports to the FBI is a crime. Why would anyone trust this with a real business? Y’all should be prosecuted
  • fcjr 34 minutes ago
    Pion is already the name of a very well established webrtc project: https://github.com/pion/webrtc
    • Sean-Der 21 minutes ago
      I am waiting for my trillion dollar offer to buy https://pion.ly !

      Then I am all done fixing WebRTC bugs for life :')

    • arjie 3 minutes ago
      Yet another example of intellectual property maximization in action. Hacker News / Reddit style communities are very intellectual-property focused. It’s quite interesting to see. Back when I was young, communities like this were anti-IP.

      Now most such forums are very pro IP with a maximalist view of copyright and, in this case, trademark. Fascinating to see this shift happen.

    • IsTom 22 minutes ago
      It's also a particle and a self-propelled gun. There's a limited number of short legible words.
      • Sean-Der 19 minutes ago
        I chose the name because of the particle.

        I sent a letter to the Soviet Union asking if they were ok with me using the name, never heard back!

  • kaishiro 37 minutes ago
    The upvotes on this brand new post - almost 1 a minute, speak to a level of astro-turfing I've rarely seen here.
    • tomhow 29 minutes ago
      The post was placed on the front page via second chance pool (https://news.ycombinator.com/pool, explained here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308). This happens all the time on HN.

      The voting is legitimate; there's no evidence that the voting is from sockpuppets or anyone else connected with the team/project. We always monitor the discussion and the voting, and if the discussion is not of sufficient quality, the post will not stay on the front page for long.

    • lukaspetersson 35 minutes ago
      It's not from us. Didn't send the link to a single person.
    • SyneRyder 15 minutes ago
      shrug I upvoted, I'd already seen the Pion announcement on Twitter and read the link. I'm also a regular listener of Andon FM, so I'm interested in what they do and it's nice to finally sneak a peak at the interface that was driving things behind the scenes

      Listening to the radio stations certainly gives an insight into the various failure modes. Some of them are just failure modes that any business would encounter once they make contact with the scale of the real world.

  • compiler-guy 30 minutes ago
    As I write this, the submitter has six comments out of twelve, most somewhat defensive. And all of them in less than thirty minutes. This seems very much like a marketing play, where the submitter is pretty determined to steer the narrative.

    I recommend flagging.

    • tomhow 24 minutes ago
      The submitter's replies are defensive because people are accusing them of coordinated voting, which is not evident to us. The post hit the front page due to the second chance pool (https://news.ycombinator.com/pool, explained here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308), then quickly got upvotes that seem completely authentic.
      • compiler-guy 17 minutes ago
        It would look a lot less like astroturf if the submitter let the discussion evolve instead of answering every criticism within seconds of it being posted.
      • mcmcmc 10 minutes ago
        [delayed]
  • SandersAK 30 minutes ago
    read it as Prion, and hoo-boy, did that seem seriously ironic.
  • johnnyApplePRNG 42 minutes ago
    8 points in 9 minutes?!

    Bullshit...

    dang come on man ...

    this is obvious spam

  • aschobel 41 minutes ago
    Ah, I wonder if it makes sense to also include the sign up link in the blog post? I had to click into the HN comments section to see your sign up link
  • hartator 30 minutes ago
    Don’t get the negativity here, AI will replace everything sooner or later.