I don't personally use those apps so I'm not sure, but if they're open source I'm confident you could easily update them to work with my site. In case it's useful, here's the source code https://github.com/leiDnedyA/hn-without-ai
Huh, perhaps there is a project to be done to consume the HN firehose and serve it AT Proto style from the firehose. HN mobile clients can then pick the feed they want. AI? No AI? Politics? No politics? Frameworks? No frameworks? Choose your own HN post feed adventure. Read replica esq consumption, writes (comments, posts, votes) go to the primary data store (HN).
Instead of filtering keywords this ranks the content using Pangram. But it's also pretty effective at filtering content about AI. Turns out that a lot of LLM tooling projects have LLM written project descriptions/blog posts.
It's amazing to see how many of the "AI hurts my brain" posts are apparently written by an LLM.
Nice! I was considering doing this but the Pangram API is very expensive. Then I considered training my own model and I fortunately stopped at the edge of that rabbit hole.
Yea very expensive (hence me siphoning another page haha).
Im trying to get something cheaper to work, Pangram has some nice docs on how to build something like their service https://github.com/pangramlabs/EditLens, they even have training data online.
The harm a missclassification carries is much lower for a hn post than a masters thesis, so we might be fine with a worse model.
Yeah agree, Pangram puts out interesting material. I recently came across their v4 technical report and they shared a lot more than I would have expected them to.
But see, here I am back at the edge of the rabbit hole, and you're trying to pull me in. I refuse!
If you do end up training a model, send me an email and maybe I can tie it into the site.
Will do, thanks for hcker.news btw, has been my main mobile client for couple of months. Of all things i like the changelog most, its nice to have a quick view about new stuff, especially if the website changes somewhat faster than usual.
There is also the hide button under every post, which I’ve started using generously. It only takes a few seconds to clean up the front page to your taste
I'm mixed on that. Definitely topics I hide when I think people can't discuss them like adults, but sometimes even bad stories have some great discussions in them.
Depends on what you want "without AI" to mean... is it just stories about AI, or anything that an AI has touched at all? Or purely vibe-coded projects?
Great feedback. After all this time I just realized a lot of people may not even know that menu exists. It's been like that for so long I'm literally blind to it.
Just a few high level points about how this works. It works in multiple stages:
1. I apply a domain and keyword filter to the feed
2. The content of the remaining articles are run twice daily through a Modern Bert-based classifier fine-tuned to detect AI-related content (~8000 training examples)[0].
It also filters out Github repos that contain AI authorship. My backend scans:
- Commit messages for agent attribution
- The contributor graph for agents
- Repo files for instructions/configs
0: The original workflow for this was a little different. For the better part of the past year, I had an AI agent detect AI-related stories and raise ~20 stories to me to make a judgement call on. After a while, a workflow like this just doesn't make sense when small models can do it equally as well. The training data is based on the machine and my labeling.
People were actually complaining specifically about OpenAI/Anthropic glazing and the countless influencer comments and posts here every hour.
And it's getting twisted into "People want HN without AI."
But that was never the case. I mean some surely do. But the blow-up this morning was specific to Anthropic ads to the point there's basically no information on this website that isn't related to Anthropic or OpenAI.
If it was announced some rando kid made a LLM in PHP or something, sure share it! If it was announced someone actually made something cool with AI (lol) then share it!
But Claude 24/7 aint it. It's at least extremely boring!
I quite like this, particularly that the filter is just a preset! Will be back.
Minor UI feedback - when navigating comments (and maybe other stuff) with the keyboard, the actual focus change is blocked behind some automated scroll behavior, and the effect is that someone quickly hitting keybinds will collapse the wrong thread. Would suggest making the focus change happen concurrently.
Thanks for the feedback. Comment drawer nav could be a lot better. I started working on the keyboard nav but got distracted with other things. I'll fix it.
https://imgur.com/a/P1qMIok
9 out of 30 posts have been removed.
Steps:
Install uBlock Origin Lite. Then create a custom filter:
Any improvements to above filter are welcome.TIL it was rare in the actual wartime (WWII) and only became popular in 2000: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_Calm_and_Carry_On
Instead of filtering keywords this ranks the content using Pangram. But it's also pretty effective at filtering content about AI. Turns out that a lot of LLM tooling projects have LLM written project descriptions/blog posts.
It's amazing to see how many of the "AI hurts my brain" posts are apparently written by an LLM.
Im trying to get something cheaper to work, Pangram has some nice docs on how to build something like their service https://github.com/pangramlabs/EditLens, they even have training data online.
The harm a missclassification carries is much lower for a hn post than a masters thesis, so we might be fine with a worse model.
But see, here I am back at the edge of the rabbit hole, and you're trying to pull me in. I refuse!
If you do end up training a model, send me an email and maybe I can tie it into the site.
OPs solution does more than keyword filtering. But its still about filtering out "content about ai" not filtering out "ai written content".
Looking at the iPod 6G QEMU emulation story:
> "With the help of Claude Code, I was able to create code to extract it using emCORE."
Checking the connection Checking the proxy and the firewall ERR_CONNECTION_RESET
its incredibly easy to immediately tell when something was posted, and how popular it was. there s no automagic rearranging or movement.
similar to https://techmeme.com/river
HN Frontpage minus AI: https://hcker.news/?view=frontpage&ai=exclude
You may also like Small Web HN: https://hcker.news/?view=frontpage&smallweb=include
0: The original workflow for this was a little different. For the better part of the past year, I had an AI agent detect AI-related stories and raise ~20 stories to me to make a judgement call on. After a while, a workflow like this just doesn't make sense when small models can do it equally as well. The training data is based on the machine and my labeling.
And it's getting twisted into "People want HN without AI."
But that was never the case. I mean some surely do. But the blow-up this morning was specific to Anthropic ads to the point there's basically no information on this website that isn't related to Anthropic or OpenAI.
If it was announced some rando kid made a LLM in PHP or something, sure share it! If it was announced someone actually made something cool with AI (lol) then share it!
But Claude 24/7 aint it. It's at least extremely boring!
Minor UI feedback - when navigating comments (and maybe other stuff) with the keyboard, the actual focus change is blocked behind some automated scroll behavior, and the effect is that someone quickly hitting keybinds will collapse the wrong thread. Would suggest making the focus change happen concurrently.
I suppose it depends on what point of view we answer from. It is very hacker-newsery to make something like this
Edit: ah yes, sure it exists
Stick to sharing your thing in the current thread today:
Ask HN: Can we please limit the AI news flood?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49657850