Object storage is all you need

(tigrisdata.com)

14 points | by jpsaccount 1 day ago

3 comments

  • arpinum 2 minutes ago
    This is frustrating to read. Tigres is built on FoundationDB, but doesn't expose all FoundationDB operations like transactions, range reads, and get mapped range. They go through all sorts of complications to handle these issues, including a database for caching (and they don't consider thundering herd problems).

    What if you just ran FoundationDB instead?

  • jeremyjh 36 minutes ago
    Absolutely no mention of Iceberg or Delta Lake, which have had many of the same properties for years. I wonder if they are aware of them, or otherwise why they invented something new.

    I generally don't read low-quality AI slop though, so its possible I missed an explanation that didn't contain those key words.

  • jpsaccount 1 day ago
    Author here. Ampbase is an OpAMP control plane for agent fleets, and this is how it runs without a database: conditional writes for uniqueness and compare-and-swap, one bucket per customer so isolation isn't a WHERE clause somebody has to remember, ULID keys so history is a prefix list.

    Two things the post doesn't cover and I'm happy to get into. What closing the cross-region lost update actually took: annotating the RPCs that depend on a compare-and-swap and replaying those to a single region, with a client-side guard. And the read amplification, which we have a plan for but waiting on a clear signal for when it’s needed.

    Cross-posted with thanks to the Tigris folks; the original is at ampbase.io.

    • typesanitizer 33 minutes ago
      > [..] so isolation isn't a WHERE clause somebody has to remember, [..] Two things the post doesn't cover and I'm happy to get into. What closing the cross-region lost update actually took: [..]

      Set of my Claude alarm bell, and lo-and-behold, Pangram judges this comment to be 100% AI-generated, albeit with limited confidence.

      • 8by3 10 minutes ago
        real people don't write "compare-and-swap" ... or "lo-and-behold" for that matter.
    • embedding-shape 34 minutes ago
      > and this is how it runs without a database

      From the article:

      > In practice, when you reach for a database engine you're actually reaching for four basic features: unique constraints, transactions, indices, and history tables. In order to use Tigris' global object storage as a database, we had to implement all of these primitives ourselves.

      Not sure why the "without a database" is or isn't so important, why is it mentioned so often and why the article flip-flopping between "we don't have a DB" and "we're effectively building our own DB"?