3 comments

  • twoodfin 4 hours ago
    Who’s on each side of the gate?
    • vrganj 4 hours ago
      On one side, consumers. On the other, vendors.
  • iso1631 4 hours ago
    10% of Microsoft's turnover is $28b, 10% of amazon is $71b

    The goal here is to make sure these companies obey the law though, which big tech companies seem to think is optional.

    • dumbmrblah 2 hours ago
      Really should be the turnover amount for operations originating from the EU, not worldwide.
      • specproc 2 hours ago
        In which case, they route it all through some subsidiary in the Cayman Islands and it magically disappears.

        No, this is a deterrent against anti-consumer behaviour, and it should be meaningful.

      • Scarblac 1 hour ago
        No, that would make it even less likely that they obey the law.
  • dmitrygr 4 hours ago
    And when everyone is a gatekeeper … no one is
    • samrus 4 hours ago
      Thats not how it works
    • ezst 4 hours ago
      What are you even trying to say?
      • dmitrygr 4 hours ago
        that before long, everyone will be declared a gatekeeper, just so EU can control everything as they please.
        • IsTom 3 hours ago
          You need at least 7.5B euro turnover and 45M MAU in the EU to have a chance to qualify. It's not going to be everyone.
        • ezst 1 hour ago
          Ok, and what would you say is the problem, there?

          https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/about-dma_en

          All I see is more interoperability, fairer competition, more consumer rights, etc. If you are against this sort of regulation and a rational being, I envy you because you must either be oligarch-level rich, or in a happy bubble disconnected from world-affecting current events.

        • vrganj 3 hours ago
          Why shouldn't our sovereign government control things as they please? That's the whole point of sovereignty - people elect government, government makes rules.
          • mctaylor 3 hours ago
            That's not how that's supposed to work!

            Democratically elected governments should have no say as to how many billions of dollars of market activity tech oligarchs are entitled to capture and redirect towards their very noble goal of winning the competition to see who can build the biggest yacht.

            And, of course, building bunkers for when enough of the general population eventually catches onto and gets tired of the grift...

            • surgical_fire 2 hours ago
              Some baseline needs to be a established, because small palyers can't play with the same rules of larger ones.

              And it is absolutely the role of the government to regulate the market.

          • dmitrygr 2 hours ago
            You can control what ENTERS your borders, not what happens outside of them. You are free to cut the cables, but not to dictate to those outside your house how to live on the other end of those cables. Else we'll all be living under the union of the rules of everyone. You sure you want that? Iran bans a lot of things you might like, as does china, and russia, and usa.
            • vrganj 1 hour ago
              As soon as you send that data into my country, it is happening inside my borders.

              You can buy magic mushrooms semi legally in the Netherlands. Doesn't mean you won't get in trouble if you send them from the Netherlands to another country.

              • dmitrygr 1 hour ago
                So you DO want iran controlling what your LLC does if it is internet connected in any way (which everything is now).
                • vrganj 1 hour ago
                  Or they could just not serve Iran? But yeah, if you operate in a country you should probably follow their laws. I don't see how that's controversial
                  • dmitrygr 44 minutes ago
                    In the days of the internet "operate in a country" == "exist". Eg: [1] UK has tried to enforce its laws even onto organizations who literally exist in USA only. Their argument: you exist, internet exists, so you are still subject to us. So tell me, how can one exist today and not "operate" in every country where internet exists. And once you see that there is no way, how do you propose your logic for regulation to work, other than by everyone being subject to everyone's rules?

                    [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c624330lg1ko

                    Further suggested reading: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.284...

                    • hdgvhicv 15 minutes ago
                      America doesn’t just fine businesses doing businesses in American and breaking the law. It tries to extradite people who have never been to America to torture them

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri

                    • vrganj 39 minutes ago
                      I couldn't find anything about VPNs in the link you shared.

                      If that is the case, I disagree with it. But if you serve the UK market, you gotta follow UK law. That doesn't seem unreasonable, does it?

                      I see you removed the VPN reference in your edit and it made your argument quite a bit weaker imo.

                      Just because 4Chan is in the US, doesn't mean they don't send their data to the UK.

                      As soon as they do, they are subject to UK law. Quite simple. If they don't want to be, they can stop sending their data there. See also the magic mushroom parallel from earlier.

                      > So tell me, how can one exist today and not "operate" in every country where internet exists

                      You could IP block by geo for example? Seems pretty straightforward.

                      • dmitrygr 4 minutes ago
                        So I have to actively work and expend energy to not be subject to some random whim? curious view.